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		<title>By: Deborah M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confessions of an Outline Rebel...

Hi and sorry for the late arrival!

I never used to use an outline confident that my way was the best way for me because my finished pieces always got good marks. However, there was always much mental anquish involved in writing them. The disorganization and the accompanying angst when I lost my train of thought...the way too many revisions because I didn&#039;t have good flow (which an outline definitely helps to facilitate), and the generally chaotic state of mind as an Outline Rebel led me to finally accept a new path.

One day I read a book by one of my professors that advised first spilling your thoughts out on paper in an endless stream of consciousness on the topic you wished to write about. No matter what the words were...spill &#039;em and damn the punctuation. That&#039;s step one. Step two involves rereading and discarding stuff that doesn&#039;t fit your vision of the end result. Step three involves creating an outline from the writing brainstorm. 

So...I&#039;m not a &#039;writer&#039; per se...just a creative individual who does tend to write on occasion and toys with the idea of one day writing a novel or memoirs or something to that effect.  Maybe the brainstorming thing and subsequent whittling down to manageable outline is old-hat to you pros out there, but I think it&#039;s great!  I know the professor is on target as he has been published many times, including screen plays. Using his technique improved my writing greatly.

Having said that...while I have never attempted a novel, I&#039;ve written several successful research and creative papers this way. I enjoy the process much more than my old method of pulling fleeting ideas out of the maelstrom of my mind sporadically as I progress with the writing. Which is not to say that capturing those ideas willy-nilly is a bad thing. What I&#039;m trying to say is much as you&#039;ve said in this blog, Alegra...that the outline creates the focus and the map for the work. Because the main ideas are there, you don&#039;t have to try to pull them out of the air later and smack yourself in the forehead saying, &quot;Why didn&#039;t I write down that thought when I thought of it &#039;cause I can&#039;t remember it now and it was so incredibly perfect at the time?&quot; The outline gives the artist/writer the freedom to welcome new ideas and pull them in when they come along, not worrying about remembering the original ideas.

I also save my written streams of consciousness, which are often useful to go back to. I frequently find other threads to pick up for new writing ideas if I didn&#039;t use them in the original project. I may write up to twenty pages of stream of consciousness only to whittle the idea down to a page or two of information for my outline.

It&#039;s a great method for me!

Also, I recently picked up a few books on writing. Haven&#039;t had much time to look under the hood, but plan on investigating further this summer. I&#039;ll see if I can find your recommendations. I think I saw &quot;Bird by Bird&quot; during my bookstore excavation, er, shopping trip.

Here&#039;s what I picked up:

Booth, Wayne C. et. al. &quot;The Craft of Research&quot; 2nd Ed.

Wiesner, Karen S. &quot;First Draft in 30 Days&quot;

Morrell, Jessica P. &quot;Bullies, Bastards, and Bitches: How to Write the Bad Guys of Fiction&quot;

Have you heard of them? Maybe I&#039;ll pop them in my suitcase in August if you want to take a peek...

Love Ya! Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confessions of an Outline Rebel&#8230;</p>
<p>Hi and sorry for the late arrival!</p>
<p>I never used to use an outline confident that my way was the best way for me because my finished pieces always got good marks. However, there was always much mental anquish involved in writing them. The disorganization and the accompanying angst when I lost my train of thought&#8230;the way too many revisions because I didn&#8217;t have good flow (which an outline definitely helps to facilitate), and the generally chaotic state of mind as an Outline Rebel led me to finally accept a new path.</p>
<p>One day I read a book by one of my professors that advised first spilling your thoughts out on paper in an endless stream of consciousness on the topic you wished to write about. No matter what the words were&#8230;spill &#8216;em and damn the punctuation. That&#8217;s step one. Step two involves rereading and discarding stuff that doesn&#8217;t fit your vision of the end result. Step three involves creating an outline from the writing brainstorm. </p>
<p>So&#8230;I&#8217;m not a &#8216;writer&#8217; per se&#8230;just a creative individual who does tend to write on occasion and toys with the idea of one day writing a novel or memoirs or something to that effect.  Maybe the brainstorming thing and subsequent whittling down to manageable outline is old-hat to you pros out there, but I think it&#8217;s great!  I know the professor is on target as he has been published many times, including screen plays. Using his technique improved my writing greatly.</p>
<p>Having said that&#8230;while I have never attempted a novel, I&#8217;ve written several successful research and creative papers this way. I enjoy the process much more than my old method of pulling fleeting ideas out of the maelstrom of my mind sporadically as I progress with the writing. Which is not to say that capturing those ideas willy-nilly is a bad thing. What I&#8217;m trying to say is much as you&#8217;ve said in this blog, Alegra&#8230;that the outline creates the focus and the map for the work. Because the main ideas are there, you don&#8217;t have to try to pull them out of the air later and smack yourself in the forehead saying, &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t I write down that thought when I thought of it &#8217;cause I can&#8217;t remember it now and it was so incredibly perfect at the time?&#8221; The outline gives the artist/writer the freedom to welcome new ideas and pull them in when they come along, not worrying about remembering the original ideas.</p>
<p>I also save my written streams of consciousness, which are often useful to go back to. I frequently find other threads to pick up for new writing ideas if I didn&#8217;t use them in the original project. I may write up to twenty pages of stream of consciousness only to whittle the idea down to a page or two of information for my outline.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great method for me!</p>
<p>Also, I recently picked up a few books on writing. Haven&#8217;t had much time to look under the hood, but plan on investigating further this summer. I&#8217;ll see if I can find your recommendations. I think I saw &#8220;Bird by Bird&#8221; during my bookstore excavation, er, shopping trip.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I picked up:</p>
<p>Booth, Wayne C. et. al. &#8220;The Craft of Research&#8221; 2nd Ed.</p>
<p>Wiesner, Karen S. &#8220;First Draft in 30 Days&#8221;</p>
<p>Morrell, Jessica P. &#8220;Bullies, Bastards, and Bitches: How to Write the Bad Guys of Fiction&#8221;</p>
<p>Have you heard of them? Maybe I&#8217;ll pop them in my suitcase in August if you want to take a peek&#8230;</p>
<p>Love Ya! Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Eros-Alegra Clarke</title>
		<link>http://editorunleashed.com/2009/04/14/surfing-for-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1579</link>
		<dc:creator>Eros-Alegra Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never thought I would have to outline like this but the more I have learned by attempt and failure, including some of my short stories, I have realized that for my mind, I really need an outline as a &#039;plumb line&#039; of sorts to keep the story and themes focused. Otherwise, my words spread like a wild garden.

You are a superb editor AND writer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never thought I would have to outline like this but the more I have learned by attempt and failure, including some of my short stories, I have realized that for my mind, I really need an outline as a &#8216;plumb line&#8217; of sorts to keep the story and themes focused. Otherwise, my words spread like a wild garden.</p>
<p>You are a superb editor AND writer.</p>
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		<title>By: Marge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does an outline count if it&#039;s in your head?  Maybe I&#039;ll get around to being disciplined and actually writing one of these days.  In the meantime, I think my calling is line editing the work of friends.  Except that yours never needs it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does an outline count if it&#8217;s in your head?  Maybe I&#8217;ll get around to being disciplined and actually writing one of these days.  In the meantime, I think my calling is line editing the work of friends.  Except that yours never needs it.</p>
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		<title>By: Eros-Alegra Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eros-Alegra Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon-
Exactly! And I am so glad to hear that you take a general approach and then more detailed planning as you go because I have been finding that is working really well for me. Always nice to get the validation that another writer is using the same method.
:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon-<br />
Exactly! And I am so glad to hear that you take a general approach and then more detailed planning as you go because I have been finding that is working really well for me. Always nice to get the validation that another writer is using the same method.<br />
:o)</p>
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		<title>By: J. M. Strother</title>
		<link>http://editorunleashed.com/2009/04/14/surfing-for-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>J. M. Strother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often get a reaction equivalent to running off screaming in fear when I mention outlining. I think it scares the bejesus out of people because they remember all those horrid outlining exercises they had to do in school.
http://www.eths.k12.il.us/manual_of_form_and_style/outlining.html
Then they assume they must rigidly adhere to the outline. I&#039;d run away too!

It doesn&#039;t have to be that way. An outline can take on many forms and be as general as you like. It is just a set of guideposts to get you from point A to point B. They don&#039;t have to be rigid and conform to high school style guides. No one is going to grade your outline.

I use a very loose outline at the start of a story, and then gen up more detailed outlines a few chapters ahead as I go. The detailed outlines follow the general flow of the loose outline, but capture those strokes of insight one gets while actually writing.
~jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often get a reaction equivalent to running off screaming in fear when I mention outlining. I think it scares the bejesus out of people because they remember all those horrid outlining exercises they had to do in school.<br />
<a href="http://www.eths.k12.il.us/manual_of_form_and_style/outlining.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eths.k12.il.us/manual_of_form_and_style/outlining.html</a><br />
Then they assume they must rigidly adhere to the outline. I&#8217;d run away too!</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way. An outline can take on many forms and be as general as you like. It is just a set of guideposts to get you from point A to point B. They don&#8217;t have to be rigid and conform to high school style guides. No one is going to grade your outline.</p>
<p>I use a very loose outline at the start of a story, and then gen up more detailed outlines a few chapters ahead as I go. The detailed outlines follow the general flow of the loose outline, but capture those strokes of insight one gets while actually writing.<br />
~jon</p>
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		<title>By: Elikapeka Lopez</title>
		<link>http://editorunleashed.com/2009/04/14/surfing-for-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Elikapeka Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha!  I caught it last night...right before I fell asleep...I thought to myself, &#039;I don&#039;t remember Alegra being goofey-footed.&#039; But, you&#039;re right, it could&#039;ve been you in the photo. Totally. Now had you picked one of &quot;you&quot; smashing the lip a-la-Keala-Kennelly-style, I might&#039;ve been a lil more suspicious ;) But that skinny tan girl with a sweet lil bottom turn, that&#039;s you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha!  I caught it last night&#8230;right before I fell asleep&#8230;I thought to myself, &#8216;I don&#8217;t remember Alegra being goofey-footed.&#8217; But, you&#8217;re right, it could&#8217;ve been you in the photo. Totally. Now had you picked one of &#8220;you&#8221; smashing the lip a-la-Keala-Kennelly-style, I might&#8217;ve been a lil more suspicious ;) But that skinny tan girl with a sweet lil bottom turn, that&#8217;s you.</p>
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		<title>By: Eros-Alegra Clarke</title>
		<link>http://editorunleashed.com/2009/04/14/surfing-for-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Eros-Alegra Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Linda,

Great to read your comment this morning. In fact, you have inspired me to do some browsing through Edgerton&#039;s book again in contemplating the editing on the first three chapters.

Your process sounds very similiar to mine. At this point I have pages of &#039;test runs&#039; that equal character sketches in the making, possible scenes, possible trajectories of plot - I am finding that while there is a main thrust to all of it and certain milestones that remain almost the same, the novel continues to define itself every day. The details emerge as I do the writing and figure out what works and doesn&#039;t work. For example, even last night I was watching a movie and understood that the central conflict was like a two legged stool - the movie gave me the possible third leg but I am still mulling it over, testing my ideas.

Best,
ALegra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Linda,</p>
<p>Great to read your comment this morning. In fact, you have inspired me to do some browsing through Edgerton&#8217;s book again in contemplating the editing on the first three chapters.</p>
<p>Your process sounds very similiar to mine. At this point I have pages of &#8216;test runs&#8217; that equal character sketches in the making, possible scenes, possible trajectories of plot &#8211; I am finding that while there is a main thrust to all of it and certain milestones that remain almost the same, the novel continues to define itself every day. The details emerge as I do the writing and figure out what works and doesn&#8217;t work. For example, even last night I was watching a movie and understood that the central conflict was like a two legged stool &#8211; the movie gave me the possible third leg but I am still mulling it over, testing my ideas.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
ALegra</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late to the &#039;game&#039; here, but fabulous post. I very much liked Les Edgerton&#039;s book; it made me rethink the opening of my first novel. The concept that an action (or lack of action) very close to the beginning has to serve as the catalyst or rationale for the rest of the story was a fresh approach from other craft books and recommendations.

I don&#039;t write a synopsis or outline per se, but I do a lot of &#039;pre-writing&#039; before plunging into a story: character sketches, thinking through obstacles and plotlines, a lot of writing through structure (POV, tense). I&#039;m embarking on my second novel and I know my beginning and I know my ending, just not sure on the middle. This, for me, is the fun part of the ride.

I always enjoy your wisdom and generosity in sharing it... Peace, Linda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late to the &#8216;game&#8217; here, but fabulous post. I very much liked Les Edgerton&#8217;s book; it made me rethink the opening of my first novel. The concept that an action (or lack of action) very close to the beginning has to serve as the catalyst or rationale for the rest of the story was a fresh approach from other craft books and recommendations.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t write a synopsis or outline per se, but I do a lot of &#8216;pre-writing&#8217; before plunging into a story: character sketches, thinking through obstacles and plotlines, a lot of writing through structure (POV, tense). I&#8217;m embarking on my second novel and I know my beginning and I know my ending, just not sure on the middle. This, for me, is the fun part of the ride.</p>
<p>I always enjoy your wisdom and generosity in sharing it&#8230; Peace, Linda</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Reid</title>
		<link>http://editorunleashed.com/2009/04/14/surfing-for-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always love hearing about your journeys.  Thank you for the list of guides - Bird By Bird is a wonderful book with some excellent points. I love Lamott and I think she&#039;s a riot.  Wishing you the best of luck with finding the next words, and I can&#039;t wait to hear the net chapters of your worlds unfolding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love hearing about your journeys.  Thank you for the list of guides &#8211; Bird By Bird is a wonderful book with some excellent points. I love Lamott and I think she&#8217;s a riot.  Wishing you the best of luck with finding the next words, and I can&#8217;t wait to hear the net chapters of your worlds unfolding.</p>
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		<title>By: Eros-Alegra Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eros-Alegra Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops...my sentence about you and Pete disappeared. I might just leave it as a cliffhanger.
It seems appropriate.
;o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230;my sentence about you and Pete disappeared. I might just leave it as a cliffhanger.<br />
It seems appropriate.<br />
;o)</p>
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